Two or three gathered together

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Jesus said, "If another member of the church sins against you, go and point out the fault when the two of you are alone. If the member listens to you, you have regained that one.

But if you are not listened to, take one or two others along with you, so that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses.

If the member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

Again, truly I tell you, if two of you agree on earth about anything you ask, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven.

For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them."

Matthew 18: 15-20

Anytime that something comes on the TV about religion or the Church, I’ve been noticing my thirty-something son has a consistent comment. I’m not centering him out: most young people of his age and younger would say similar things about religion. For this particular instance, I don’t know if it was prompted by some general remark that I’d made or if was the content of the TV item.


Anyway, his usual response is something like: “Well, that’s it, organized religion. That’s the trouble with it… politics.” My usual response is to ask what he means by that. And the reply is usually something like: “Well, politics… the church people… and how they get along.”


How I respond to that is by saying that a church is a microcosm of society. It’s really no different than any other human organization or institution. There is always a human dynamic in the inter-actions of people who are mere humans. It’s the same in every human endeavour. Think about it -- it’s the same in work situations, clubs, municipal councils, governments. The degree of its visibility will vary. Sometimes there is a lot of effort to hide it in the fog of things; nonetheless, it’s always there, it would seem to me.


Here’s another influence: I am really getting irritated by how the media portrays religion in general in most of its coverage, especially the television media. Not that we don’t already have enough problems in the world with people not getting along with one another: we have a media that simplifies the dynamics of many struggles as all being solely the result of religion. That’s just a massively gross over-simplification that is incredibly misleading for those who cannot see anything beyond the snippets of a few sound bytes.


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Since the earliest of times, powers-who-be have always tried to use a religious angle to sway the people toward their own particular interpretation of things. The Emperor, Constantine, used Christianity cunningly as a way of uniting his huge empire. In our own history, Elizabeth I used the Book of Common Prayer and the Act of Uniformity literally to keep her head and to unite her empire. (The Act of Uniformity actually appears in the BCP if you’d like to check it out sometime.) Some of that may not have been all bad contrary to what seems to be the general categorization of world religion in these days.


In that case, on the news and in the media each and every day, the bottom-line, unsettling and twisting conundrum is fundamentalism… not religion in itself.  Christians, by the way, are not immune to fundamentalism. Just check out the verses of scripture quoted by white supremacists and by others tempted into seeing others only through judgemental eyes. 


Beyond that though, think about it: what world faith group does not espouse peace as a basic tenet of its creed. Look how Muslim organizations are now speaking out against what they deem to be non-Islamic acts of evil perpetrated by ISIS and more recently, by misguided, mentally unstable young people who have become radicalized by the drug of idealism injected by an incredibly twisted kind of cultural fundamentalism.


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We can also see in history how so often one great power wields its might to dominate another power. Think about all the manoeuvring, intrigue and clandestine activities that went on especially during the Cold War to mislead those considered to be the enemy. Look at how the CIA engaged in the politics of Latin America to incite a revolution among its people thereby destabilizing the government and its institutions. And one can really wonder if the motivation about that was not all about bananas. I’m not kidding. Check it out: American commercial interests. Oil would be the other world elixir and stimulant for mistreating others on a huge scale. Minerals can do the same.


When you turn your focus to how humans respond to other humans on that high-level scale, I wonder why it was that it was not until certain western people were infected with Ebola that those nations started to take the problems of their less fortunate sisters and brothers in western Africa into serious consideration.


Human dynamics are often flawed by self-interests of one degree or another. That’s in the macrocosm where it is much more difficult actually to recognize what’s really going on. And, there are more risks involved there too to speak out and to name the reality of the behaviour.


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A church is a microcosm of all that. It is by nature smaller. So things are more evident. In some ways, they’re more squeezed into a tighter focus. Certainly, they’re much more directly visible. Sometimes.


More than thirty years ago, when I was the rector of a medium-sized parish in the Diocese of Huron, I remember watching a television programme around Easter time. I can’t be sure of the name of the movie. It was excellent. It was what I thought was an extremely accurate portrayal of the inter-personal dynamics of the disciples and the reality of what Jesus was preaching. It was not a glorified, namby-pamby, Pollyanna portrayal. It showed the real struggles, disagreements, vying for attention and all those kinds of very human characteristics. I would love to see it again. I have never seen it since. I’m not sure of the title, unfortunately. And it’s not likely it’s going to be returned in these days by our often self-serving broadcasters and media.


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Do you really think that the disciples were a merry band of men (and women) who tip-toed delightedly all over Galilee in some kind of vacuum sealed off from the realities of the human condition? Do you not think they each had their own motivations, desires, foibles as did – and does – any human being?


The Gospels focus on re-telling the key messages of Jesus teaching. That was their purpose more so than giving an actual blow-by-blow account of how that all played out in the real lives of the disciples and in the real inter-actions of their individual relationships with one another. So, you have to look beyond the text with the insight of knowing what it means to be a human being… and that would be thanks to our own human experience.


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So, there’s my thoughts and commentary with due homage to Rex Murphy. And what does that have to do with anything?


Well, a parish is indeed a very human kind of entity. We can always endeavour to do things better, to see things more clearly, and to understand things more clearly, including seeing beyond the allusion that Jesus was just some gentle, kind, meek and mild kind of fellow. For that, it seems to me, it is not just a sugar-coating of words such as love, exhortation, forgiveness, compassion and so on. It is persisting in putting those qualities into action that unpacks the reality of what it means to be humans in community with one another. It is a continuing process and a call to seek the Light from the shadows.


It means hanging in. It means listening. It means speaking up, speaking up kindly. It means much more than the pontification of words; it means doing the very hard toil of putting the teachings into action in a broken and flawed world. It’s broken and flawed by definition since we each only have the reality of being mere flesh and blood. And that’s the crucible of the gospel message. The message is not for some Camelot magical kingdom where knights sit poised at a round-table. The message is for the actual real world here and now.


Teachings are only academic kinds of concepts unless they’re grounded in the nitty-gritty of the flesh, blood and guts of the real world. And that’s what the message is all about. That’s how very real disciples actually walked with Jesus in Galilee. And, that’s how we, as mere creatures in a fallen world, also walk together with Jesus in these days.


That’s the hard part… but that’s the very real part of what it means to be two or three gathered in Jesus’ name.


  1. Marylou Bowles on 7 September 2020 at 12:20 PM

    that is a really excellent homily. When some movies that have come out over the years of the stories about Jesus and his disciples the actors show how hard they believe life was back then and if you look at what is happening now it is not much different. Some people would like to believe that life was a piece of cake and not so hard. I have heard that they did not like the movie because they think the actors were making life up back then and it was not like that. I believe that no matter what year or month it is like is challenging and God and his son Jesus are trying to help make us all to be better people so we can love one an other and respect their world.

    • Father Glenn on 7 September 2020 at 1:17 PM

      Hi Marylou,

      Thanks for your kind comment and reflections. I think you are right: life back then was not easy. On a physical level, daily life for most would have been a struggle. The occupation of the land by the Romans also would not have been easy. In the early centuries, the persecutions would have been appalling especially in Rome. On the physical front, I’d say we have things way better especially in our part of the world. On a spiritual and emotional front, I think they had challenges as we do still in our day. In fact, that part may be for us even more challenging and pervasive. As you conclude, it is all about still understanding Jesus’ teachings and putting them into action. That continues to be a challenge especially among peoples and nations.

      Blessings to you on Labour Day Weekend,


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